tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post7648727246143593222..comments2023-05-16T15:00:50.358+02:00Comments on The Amiable Atheist: Response to Kitty Foth-RegnerThe Amiable Atheisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11591728632496066343noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-70748393729259924192011-05-07T09:46:41.724+02:002011-05-07T09:46:41.724+02:00I'm sorry, EriK, but what you call a "deb...I'm sorry, EriK, but what you call a "debunk" evidently does not agree with the commonly accepted definition of the word. I read through a few sections of the first link, and already face had met its old companion palm.<br /><br />Sadly, I could not bring myself to read through all of the article. Rough skimming gave me a good impression of the sort of dead horses being flogged Buggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419898268156972182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-3032555445959671332011-05-06T09:10:49.534+02:002011-05-06T09:10:49.534+02:00You like talkorigins it seems. You should check ou...You like talkorigins it seems. You should check out a few debunks of that site.<br /><br />http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp<br /><br />http://trueorigin.org/steiger.asp<br /><br />There is no rebuttal (though there are 4 attempts linked). <br /><br />Evolutionism loses, spoiler alert.EriKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149923261251332685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-40617345060531574132010-09-17T15:38:05.445+02:002010-09-17T15:38:05.445+02:00My first encounter with Gerald (‘Jerry’) Bergman w...My first encounter with Gerald (‘Jerry’) Bergman was in the mid-nineties. My doctoral thesis on the psychology of fundamentalist Christianity (partly focusing on the Jehovah’s Witnesses, to my knowledge, the first psychological study of that sect conducted with their agreement!) was noted by several journals. Bergman wrote for a ‘free’ copy of the thesis, promising me ‘publicity’. It was anubishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487536333262306128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-62934297655681696642010-09-13T22:24:20.680+02:002010-09-13T22:24:20.680+02:00We need define 'a scientific approach' ...We need define 'a scientific approach' Newton hypothesized how the dimensions of motion might be calculated; first an hypothesis, then a test. For centuries after Isaac's 'discoveries', people believed they 'knew' the 'laws of motion' .... until, a few centuries later, an equally famous(?), Jew; Albert Einstein, hypothesized Newton's laws were anubishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487536333262306128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-67544031068165921682009-09-04T01:04:05.933+02:002009-09-04T01:04:05.933+02:00I find it frankly disturbing that despite claiming...I find it frankly disturbing that despite claiming she's researched the origins issue for years (and to know talk origins well), nay decades, Ms Foth-Regner kept repeating fallacious arguments that had already been refuted many times over, attempted to dodge the question or use sweeping generalisations when confronted with an irrefutable counter-argument (sure, Christianity may be growing inBuggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419898268156972182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-13443740486682514832008-09-02T16:02:00.000+02:002008-09-02T16:02:00.000+02:00AA:I understand this is what you meant earlier. An...AA:<BR/><BR/>I understand this is what you meant earlier. And I certainly agree that many scientists are also not entirely atheistic. Newton himself was an adherent to the Christian faith. Even in modern times I'd reckon that a great deal, if not a majority of scientists are theistic in some way. However this has little bearing on what science is or ought to be. And I still think my point stands.ytseonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03447598927738186330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-51528247317879969732008-09-02T08:02:00.000+02:002008-09-02T08:02:00.000+02:00ytseone:"The naturalism that science adopts is met...ytseone:<BR/><BR/>"The naturalism that science adopts is methodological naturalism. It does not assume that nature is all there is; it merely notes that nature is the only objective standard we have. The supernatural is not ruled out a priori; when it claims observable results that can be studied scientifically, the supernatural is studied scientifically. It gets little attention because it has The Amiable Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11591728632496066343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-77917273120470917362008-09-02T03:43:00.000+02:002008-09-02T03:43:00.000+02:00AA. I'd breifly scanned this most recent post of y...AA. I'd breifly scanned this most recent post of yours and just thought I'd point out something that seems a bit contradictory. You say, "In science, worldview is irrelevant." <BR/>But earlier you say, "But science is about finding natural, reproducible, testable explanations."<BR/>I'm not claiming one thing or the other about reality. But this statement of yours does seem to say that you feel ytseonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03447598927738186330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-68487735364170093822008-09-01T11:36:00.000+02:002008-09-01T11:36:00.000+02:00Somehow your claim of having researched this issue...Somehow your claim of having researched this issue thoroughly does not seem plausible when after all your research you have not found one person, who used to be fundamentalist and is now accepting the fact of evolution.<BR/><BR/>As Amiable pointed out, there are plenty. I am shocked that you would write a book like that without talking to any of those authors, or at least reading them.<BR/><BR/>falagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02123269594205652202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-47173897173207654852008-09-01T07:35:00.000+02:002008-09-01T07:35:00.000+02:00Yes, thank you for your time!Yes, thank you for your time!The Amiable Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11591728632496066343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-71497516726003975492008-09-01T03:24:00.000+02:002008-09-01T03:24:00.000+02:00Thank you, DB, for your kindness – as well as your...Thank you, DB, for your kindness – as well as your insightful questions. Wish I’d asked them myself decades ago. <BR/><BR/>Okay, Amiable, I give up. I have studied, in considerable depth, both sides of the origins issue – the evolutionary side in school and on the job for approaching 40 years, and the special-creation side on my own for the last eight years. I'm even very familiar with sites likeKitty Foth-Regnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02616557737949077694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-49015596669285638602008-08-31T19:34:00.000+02:002008-08-31T19:34:00.000+02:00Thank you for your reply. I will answer some of yo...Thank you for your reply. I will answer some of your responses, the rest I will leave by saying that I have already provided you with a link to <A HREF="http://talkorigins.org" REL="nofollow">Talk Origins</A> where all of your doubts about evolution have already been cleared up. <I>“…the resources I've provided should give the honest seeker of truth a good start.”</I> But I am aware it will do The Amiable Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11591728632496066343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-32757056029935838582008-08-31T12:37:00.000+02:002008-08-31T12:37:00.000+02:00Thanks for your responses and I appreciate the tim...Thanks for your responses and I appreciate the time you spent. Good luck with your book. :-)DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01267112937396907790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-73617207538293289102008-08-31T04:30:00.000+02:002008-08-31T04:30:00.000+02:00You ask, DB, “Why would the creator be the Christi...You ask, DB, “Why would the creator be the Christian one?” I suppose it wouldn’t have to have turned out to be. But I looked – and found no other explanation. And then I learned that the Bible contains scores of scientific and prophetic truths that were not known – could not even have been imagined – when they were written. (And yes, there is solid proof of when virtually every book of the Bible Kitty Foth-Regnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02616557737949077694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-13349802725712003332008-08-31T03:06:00.000+02:002008-08-31T03:06:00.000+02:00Oh, I have "considered the source" alright, and ti...Oh, I have "considered the source" alright, and time and time again I come to the same conclusion. Now, since you seem to have all the answers, please indulge me. <BR/><BR/>If I were to concede there is a creator, why would that creator be the Christian one?<BR/><BR/>If such a creator is the Christian creator, then why would he concentrate on what I think rather than my actions?<BR/><BR/>If such DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01267112937396907790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-58720824508967595052008-08-30T22:08:00.000+02:002008-08-30T22:08:00.000+02:00Wow, Amiable, reading your response was just like ...Wow, Amiable, reading your response was just like reading something I might’ve written years ago, if I’d cared enough to comment. (I didn’t.) <BR/><BR/>I won’t answer all your points, because they all really require more than a sound bite. But I would like to address some. <BR/><BR/>•Re "consider the source," I will just reiterate that I was for 25 years a feminist atheist. It was the evidence Kitty Foth-Regnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02616557737949077694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-75816228994997483572008-08-30T21:48:00.000+02:002008-08-30T21:48:00.000+02:00thank you so much for the heads up, adrian! i have...thank you so much for the heads up, adrian! i have no clue what happened, but it's fixed now.The Amiable Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11591728632496066343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-33793676035731845502008-08-30T21:35:00.000+02:002008-08-30T21:35:00.000+02:00bummer!let me get on that right now...bummer!<BR/><BR/>let me get on that right now...The Amiable Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11591728632496066343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-27962943263419102532008-08-30T21:30:00.000+02:002008-08-30T21:30:00.000+02:00A load of the links are busted. Could you fix so I...A load of the links are busted. Could you fix so I know the context of this :DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636485010689066731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821889077260802044.post-74164208140185393852008-08-30T16:51:00.000+02:002008-08-30T16:51:00.000+02:00Wow, great response! You have much more patience t...Wow, great response! You have much more patience than most to deal with this nonsense. The way I see it is a matter of considering the source. Scientists near universally accept evolution. Only conservative Christian and Muslim preachers and their followers dispute evolution. Now, if there was a bunch of scientists against evolution and all Christian preachers were against it I would maybe think DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01267112937396907790noreply@blogger.com